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Mr.Fusion-2 Joined: 07/13/2001 Posts: 28 |
I don't think they should make a movie i think they should make a new tv series that is live action and not animated. what do you think? Mr. Fusion-2 |
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| January 8, 2002, 9:02 am : | |
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CalvinKlein1955 Joined: 06/07/2001 Posts: 5 |
No, if anything I think they should make a new movie,but, only if they have most of the original cast!! But, this doesnt seem to likely. In the works right now is the sequal to the goonies, in which all of the original cast is coming back. That should be a good sequal, but if they make a bttf without any original cast, its a waste and may hurt the originals a little, but I hope not!! Just my 2 cents worth! |
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| January 8, 2002, 10:10 pm : | |
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Bosch To The Future Joined: 10/12/1999 Posts: 1387 |
I totally agree with you Mr.Fusion-2. The problems with a new movie is: 1) There's alot at stake with a new movie, including alot of people's hopes and the reputation of an already great franchise. Since BTTF is a series with established continuity, whatever happens in the new movie, good or bad, would have to stick. It would be canon. 2) Like many have said, a new movie would not be good with out the original cast. For the best possible story, all the BTTF characters have to be available. If an actor is not at dispose, then the story possiblities are limited. "So-and-so isn't available? Then we have to switch this around, and change that, and take that out." New characters would be brought in with the sole purpose of replacing the missing charactes, further handicapping the creative possiblities, since they'd simply be there as bad clones, with no back story or possiblity of development, and would just seem akward. Now the great thing about BTTF, beleive it of not, are the characters. Yes Time Travel is cool, and all the different times periods are cool. But what makes all of that interesting, and endearing, to us are the characters. Take it from a screenwriter, the heart of a story comes from the characters. The plot is formed out of the conflicts the characters have, and how they deal with them. Ask yourself, why do we want to see a BTTF sequel? To see Marty and Doc doing stuff again. It's not to simply see time travel, in that case we'd be happy with The Time Machine coming out next year. That's why I think a television show would be great. 1) A TV show wouldn't nessesary be a continuation of the movies. It's events and continuity don't have to apply or change the films. The trilogy can stay as it's own entity. And if you don't like show, you can just disavow it, much like people do with The Ride or The Animated Series. 2) With TV show's, it's not nessesary to have the same actors from the films to play the TV characters. There's the freedom to creat a great story with the full range of characters available. Some people might say that they only want to see the original actors playing the characters. But what makes Kristen's and Mary's fan fictions so enjoyable? That they are the continuing adventures of Marty and Doc. Not the continuing adventures of Marty and Doc, starring Micheal J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd. Now, ofcourse, the TV show would have to be good. Which much on TV is not. But when TV is good, it's great. I would not like to see BTTF done like Sliders, or even like Quantum Leap (even though QL was a good show). It shouldn't be a "where/when do we travel to this week" show. I see a BTTF series as a show about the characters of Doc and Marty, who happen to time travel. Not as a show about people who time travel. It would have to rely heavily on the characters and continuity. Very much like Buffy The Vampire Slayer. On Buffy, things don't always stay the same, the characters learn, change and evolve, with their inner conflicts being as much threats as the vampires, though it still has a "weird occurance of the week" structure. So, more then Buffy, I see a BTTF series being like OZ, or Six Feet Under, where each episode isn't individually plot driven, but acts as a continuing chronical of the larger story that's being told with the series. The way I see the BTTF series, Doc and Marty wouldn't simply travel to a different year every week, and then do something there. They might time travel a dozen time in one episode, or not time travel at all in another. Whatever best tells that part of the larger story. But I wouldn't want to see a BTTF series done, simply because it WOULDN'T be done right. It would probably just end up like a clone of Sliders (which was a low-rent clone of the superior Quantum Leap). Why have I put so much thought into all of this? All I can say is, Stay Tuned. ;) -Kevin Boschy: The Vampire Slayer |
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| January 8, 2002, 11:43 pm : | |
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Jigowatt Joined: 09/02/2000 Posts: 425 |
quote:Source? |
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| January 9, 2002, 3:43 am : | |
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Bosch To The Future Joined: 10/12/1999 Posts: 1387 |
quote:http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=7229 http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=8870 http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=9676 http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/57671p1.html Ok, now somebody, quick, say something about how cool a BTTF TV show would be, before this thread gets closed. -Kevin Bosch |
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| January 9, 2002, 6:28 am : | |
Joey Joined: 04/08/2000Posts: 4670 |
Right on, Bosch!
quote:They've already done that. It was shown in the 80s and went by the name "Quantum Leap". Good little show if I remember correctly. It had all the right ingredients. However, although it had mild success, it was not a major international blockbuster quite simply because it didn't have any of the cast/crew/plot/vehicles of the BTTF movies. I would say this is the biggest reason why a continuation of BTTF would be such a dismal failure. Luckily for us, everybody involved is wise enough to avoid this happening. |
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| January 9, 2002, 11:57 pm : | |
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Bosch To The Future Joined: 10/12/1999 Posts: 1387 |
quote:Somebody didn't bother reading my entire, um, extensive post, since I mentioned Quantum Leap twice. quote:I'm sorry, some body back me up on this, but I belive Quantum Leap was actually one of the most popular and succsessful TV shows during it's run. And it didnt have any of the cast/crew/plot/vehicles of the BTTF movies, because it wasn't based on BTTF. It had it's own story, and, much like BTTF, it's own following. quote:Well, seeing that I support the idea of a TV show, I guess I'm not wise. And, no offence, but I wish people would stop judging the potential of a future success based on past faliures (or, in this case, supposide past failures). Imagine if an executive at Universal had said "Well, the last movie that combined time travel and a love story, "Somewhere in Time", wasn't a major international blockbuster, so I don't think this whole "Back To The Future" thing will work out." -Kevin Bosch |
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| January 10, 2002, 6:29 pm : | |
Future Girl Joined: 10/25/1985Posts: 1718 |
I still remain convinced that the best (well, more realistic) form of series contiuation would be in book form, specifically a book series. And I'm not just saying that 'cause I write some. Think about it:
In books, no one can see you age
There are no messy casting hassels for actors who can't or won't return for more movies. (Or disappointments of poor casting for a TV series.) When you see the names "Marty", "Doc", "Clara", etc, you picture those kind people who fleshed the roles out in the trilogy -- Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd, and Mary Steenburgen. (Whom you picture for Jennifer, though, is up to you. ;) ) What would be even niftier would be if Drew Struzan did some original cover illustrations, as he did in some Indiana Jones and Star Wars novels (I believe). I salavate at the mere idea.... 
There are no restraints in budget
You can have fantastic special effects that your imagination supplies, free of charge. And there's no problems with location.... So long as the writer is skilled, you should be able to picture Medieval England and Ancient Rome with little problem. (And think of the history one can learn!)
Reading is good
So you're not rotting the brain staring at a flickering screen and annoying parents/loved ones/friends/etc.
Of course, there are problems... which is probably why there's been no mainstream BTTF books. I suspect, but can't prove that:
Universal -- or whoever holds the rights to that sort of thing -- doesn't want to do books
Perhaps they don't believe there's an audiance for them. Granted, there are a lot of crummy series aimed at kids and young adults, esp, based on a TV show or film (Olsen Twin books, anyone?), but I think it would work for BTTF. BTTF lends itself perfectly to a series format, otherwise I probably would've stopped writing tales long ago.
Books on time travel, in general, aren't popular
One of my little theories, esp since I'm trying to get an original book/series published that involves time travel and keep getting form rejection letters. But I comfort myself with the knowledge Bob & Bob had about 100 doors slammed in their face when they pitched BTTF, and clearly those jokers were wrong. Time travel has a strange reputation, too; I've argued 'til I've been blue, for instance, that my original series is not science fiction or fantasy, but my friends are like, "Yeah, it is, if there's a time machine -- deal with it." Such a classification may narrow the audiance, too, since I'm one of those narrowminded people who tends to give the SF/Fantasy aisle a wide berth when in bookstores.
Books involving historical fiction might be hard to write on a monthly basis
Again, I speak from experience -- writing a series with different time periods or settings in each book is hard work, if you want to do it correctly and do all the research. Most writers who like historical fiction may hate time travel, and vice versa.
Anyway, I really am genuinely puzzled that BTTF never made it to bookshelves, considering the glut of TV/film-based book series. Sometimes I wonder if I'm relieved, in that the franchise wasn't allowed to go sour in ways the creators never intended in a mainstream way (while fan fiction is still more "underground"), but.... I still have dreams of "discovering" books in a bookstore. And still idly scan the shelves when I visit bookstores half hoping to see the BTTF logo on a spine.
Okay, my two cents have turned to two bucks, so I gracefully bow out, now. IMHO, 'course. ;)
-Kristen |
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| January 10, 2002, 9:30 pm : | |
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Bakntime Joined: 01/09/2002 Posts: 460 |
I could see myself really enjoying a weekly BTTF TV show. Like Doc Bosch says though, it would have to be GOOD. Time travel can't be used as and excuse for the show to exist. You have to have good character driven stories. That's waht makes any show entertaining, and a show based on BTTF wouldn't be any different. It would require a great crew however (directors, writers, etc). I just don't see it happening though, given the parties involved that would have to approve this. (Speilberg/Zemeckis may have retained rights to the franchise - or at least veto power over any BTTF related "stuff"). |
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| January 10, 2002, 9:43 pm : | |
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Bakntime Joined: 01/09/2002 Posts: 460 |
Future Girl - You are right about the book thing. It is kind of surprising that no books exist in the BTTF universe. I mean, franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek, heck, even Quantum Leap, all have novels based on the films/tv show. I've read a bunch of your stuff and it is really entertaining. Not just becuase it's based on the BTTF characters, but because there are good storylines and interesting interactions among the characters and timelines. I think that if they were done properly, BTTF novels could be successful, relatively speaking, in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. However, I'm not sure how "pop" BTTF is beyond the movies. Sure the trilogy was popular, and it has many fans, but I'm just not sure Back to the Future is a "universe" that people want to get highly involved in. I think this is due partly in that it's a fantasy/sci-fi comedy based in the real world, as opposed to the Star Wars/Star Trek franchises which are based on other worlds, creatures, etc. |
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| January 11, 2002, 11:06 am : | |
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Todd McFly Joined: 10/15/1999 Posts: 377 |
Kristen- I totally agree with you. This is what I've wanted to have done for years. I am more than impressed with the work that you and Ms. Holmes have presented. I can remember when I was about 9 years old and found a "rare" (and used) BTTF II book at a second hand bookstore. About a year later, at another second hand bookstore, I found a BTTF III book. (Long story short), it took me 6 years to find a BTTF I book and now (after 11 years since my first discovery) I have 3 Part I's (all with a slightly different color), 2 white Part II's, 1 blue Part II, 4 orange Part III's, and 2 blue Part III's. What's my point? Well, again I'm going to echo some of my previous posts and say that the BTTF fans have kinda received a raw deal in terms of merchandising around the series. While lately several products have hit the market (usually in other countries), when the movie first came out, extra "goodies" were limited. It took me 7 years (without using the Internet) to obtain the simple trilogy of books (the Internet helped me obtain some of the extra copies since). While extras to go along with the movies were minimal, I again am more than impressed with the work that has been produced by all of us who visit the website. All the hard work Stephen, Kristen, Mary Jean, and several others (too many to mention) have done for all the fans is above-and-beyond anything any movie series could hope for. Even if the trilogy never gets re-released in theaters, or a TV series never gets off the ground, or books never do get "published", just look at what we have here. We can read the books (online), we can discuss what we would and would not like to see happen, etc. For the years before the Internet, I used to think I was the only one "obsessed" with Back to the Future. After I found this site (when it was still at the old address), I realized how lucky I was to be a fan of such a great set of movies and everything that goes along with it. |
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| January 12, 2002, 7:33 am : | |
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Biff Tannon Joined: 06/26/2001 Posts: 98 |
quote:What is the original cast gonna do in the sequel?,they are all older now,from 29 to 39 |
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| January 14, 2002, 6:47 am : | |
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JoeyJoined: 04/08/2000 Posts: 4670 |
Hang on a minute... Bosch, I'm on your side. It was a little sarcasm, that's all. I specifically mentioned your post in the first line of my reply. Whether QL was popular or not, we know it wasn't conencted to BTTF, but yet it was still an enjoyable show which used many of the aspects of BTTF. My point was that there can be a good time travel show without using a DeLorean set in Hill Valley. It doesn't mean something isn't any good just because Doc and the McFly's aren't in it. For this reason, if by any chance B'n'B have any more ideas then they should start up a new thing instead of trying to tack them on to the end of the final part of BTTF (of course if they don't have any great ideas then they shouldn't make anything!) A new thing might well be the greatest masterpiece ever - even more so if it was allowed its own artistic freedom without having to twist around to fit in with the events of another, unrelated story. |
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| January 14, 2002, 10:35 pm : | |
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USF Henry Joined: 12/29/2001 Posts: 74 |
There's a point in BTTF II when Doc and Marty are fixing whatever needs to be fixed, and the time machine is sitting alone.. unattended.. all by itself. I'm just making this all up. Humor me. Along comes two punk kids - car thieves, if you will. They steal the DeLorean and accidentally go forward/backwards a hundred years. Long story short... The TV show would be a spinoff of the adventures of these two kids who, at the end of the entire series, return the car to the exact spot and time that they originally stole it (which is, of course, years later for them but to everyone else, no time has passed!). Okay. I need sleep. |
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| January 14, 2002, 10:39 pm : | |
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USF Henry Joined: 12/29/2001 Posts: 74 |
quote:I don't mean to get sidetracked here, but Somewhere In Time was a really, really good movie. Is it okay to be a straight male that loves a good chick flick? |
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| January 15, 2002, 12:30 pm : | |
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Bosch To The Future Joined: 10/12/1999 Posts: 1387 |
Sorry Joey. :D I'm just so used to inaccurate post that ARN'T sarcastic. But I personallly beleive that a TV show can extend from the movies, and that attempting to creat a whole new scenerio, yet call it BTTF and have a Delorean and have it set in Hill Valley, abridges the abilty to creat something new and original. The characters of Marty and Doc are endearing to us, and what we want to see. I personally have no interest in seeing other characters replace them in the series, even if there is time travel, Deloreans, and so on. To expand on my TV series idea, imagine if each movie in the trilogy were an episode of a three episode TV series. Each "episode" has certain events that occur during it's run, but each "episode" also directly effects and is connected to the next "episode", and to the enitre "series" story arch. Or better yet, imagine if the whole trilogy were broken up into many episodes. The first episode we meet Marty McFly, his family, see how he lives, and so on. We meet Doc at the end of the episode, and see the time machine. The Lybians show up, Marty jumps into the Delorean, and causes temporal displacement. The last shot is of Marty in the barn, having a gun pointed at him. The next episode, Marty sees his future neiborhood, runs into his Pops, his Mom, and finds Doc, and convinces him that he's from the future. Next episode, they figure out the problem, the solution, and go to the school, where he interacts with his dad. .... In a future episode, Marty figures out he's in ALT 1985. and we spend about two episodes in that time period. ... Later, in the series, we've been in the old west for two or three episodes already, and now Doc and Marty are attending the Hill Valley Festival, where they run into Buford. ======== Of course, I'm not saying the series would follow excatly what happened in the movies. I'm saying that a new continuing storyline is created, and we see it acted out through a series of episodes. Anyway, enough of that. Oh, USF Henry, I didnt mean to say "Somewhere In Time" was bad, I was looking for a movie with similar themes as BTTf, just not as successful. -Kevin Bosch |
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| January 16, 2002, 11:02 pm : | |
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Young Biff from the Past Joined: 07/01/2001 Posts: 19 |
Not sure if you guys know about these, but here are some BTTF book titles and authors: Back to the Future by George Gipe Back to the Future Part II by Craig Gardner You probably know about these, forgive me if you do, I am fairly new. What I would like to see is a series of books continuing where BTTF3 left off. I'd love to see where Doc and Marty go afterwards (If they do go anywhere). It would be awesome if Bob Gale and Zemeckis would get together to write a book series but I doubt it will ever happen. Oh well, I can dream |
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| January 16, 2002, 11:25 pm : | |
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Wild Gunman Joined: 05/25/2001 Posts: 386 |
quote:The solution to this is fanfiction! Such BTTF fans such as Watson, Future Girl, Charles Murphy, J-Flux and myself write stories based on what happened after Part III. So take a look! (Mine is posted on www.fanfiction.net) |
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| January 18, 2002, 1:59 pm : | |
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she loves me doc Joined: 01/18/2002 Posts: 3 |
a movie is the only option.
it has to be a great story, same cast and not up its own backside (im sure this wont happen!)... else ppl will remember it for the wrong reasons.
i strongly believe that bttf can get even better. however, the last film should definately be set in the early 90's cos that what'll give the film more charm.
focus on the family... but def not sell out by marty going to uni, else the film will become cliche hollywood...
im sure the writers have many brill ideas - just wish they'd share some at the cinema with us....null  |
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| January 19, 2002, 3:31 pm : | |
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bkmarleen Joined: 05/04/2001 Posts: 476 |
i have to say id prefer a series of books. marty is and always will be MJF, and i hate to be the one to reminde everyone but mike is too ill to do a full length movie and bttf without marty s**ks! mike cant cope with a tv show either hence his departure from spin city, he cant get out of bed for shaking some days :( . i would love to see bttf 4 but with mike as marty no one else. at least in books marty can grow up and still be as you imagine him, which in mty case is an ethusiastic, hyperactive, cheeky, one and only Michael J Fox. just my thoughts |
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| January 21, 2002, 6:53 am : | |
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quote:have a series where Marty is old and tells about his adventures as an adult. Surely that isnt to difficult for MJF? The show can be called:Back to the Future, the adult years. Only thing i can think of for hollywood doing a 4 is "SHOW ME THE MONEY" |
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| January 21, 2002, 4:25 pm : | |
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bkmarleen Joined: 05/04/2001 Posts: 476 |
GENIUS! I hadnt thought of that, im so mentally challenged at times! :eek: |
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| January 22, 2002, 9:21 pm : | |
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joao2pac Joined: 01/15/2002 Posts: 4 |
A new back to the future will be just like the 4th Karate Kid.....terrible |
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| February 6, 2002, 7:08 am : | |
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Mr. Strickland Joined: 02/06/2002 Posts: 124 |
Okay, I know I'm sidetracking from the original topic, but just a quick reply to a post from 'Young Biff From The Past'. I own the two books, and the start of the first is an expansion to the story line. To anyone that doesn't own it, the book tells of Strickland giving Marty detention, and how Marty escapes it to get to his band audition... I think George Gipe deserves some credit here for the work that he did. It is in sharp contrast to the sequel by Craig Shaw Gardner. This book really kills the movie for me, although it is good for finding a few useless bits of trivia... For example the old guy in BTTF II, who wishes he could 'go back in time and bet some money on the Cubbies' is Terry, the guy who fixes Biff's car in 1955!!! Anyway, if any work was to be done on BTTF sequels/books/TV shows - and I don't think that there should be - then maybe George Gipe should be involved... Personally, I think we should all leave the trilogy as it is, and instead try and come up with a pretty comprehensive list of extras for the DVDs, so Universal know exactly what the fans want... It seems like a more realistic goal, and one that wouldn't tarnish the trilogy... Of course, you're all welcome to disagree with me... |
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| February 6, 2002, 4:04 pm : | |
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Future GirlJoined: 10/25/1985 Posts: 1718 |
That might be hard -- I heard he passed away a while back. But I've also heard that the reasons why he wasn't involved with writing the two sequel novelizations was that the filmmakers weren't happy with his spin on it all. -Kristen |
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| February 6, 2002, 4:28 pm : | |
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My Other Self Joined: 07/06/2000 Posts: 2482 |
Heh. Even the third one was pushing it. Although Ralph Macchio was 22 years old playing a 15-16 year old in the first movie (in which he was pretty believable), by the time the third movie rolled around, like five years later, he had grown a little too old--and a bit too chubby--to be very believable as a 16-17 year old. |
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| February 6, 2002, 6:04 pm : | |
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Mr. Strickland Joined: 02/06/2002 Posts: 124 |
Thanks, Future Girl. There's always someone out there trying to make me look more stupid than I can manage on my own. Still, I liked George Gipe's work, even if no-one else did. |
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| February 9, 2002, 9:50 am : | |
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bkmarleen Joined: 05/04/2001 Posts: 476 |
ive been trying to get hold of part one and two as books for ages. ive got the third but one and two just dont seem to exist anymore :( does anyone have any ideas where i can get them? ive tried amazon and ebay and bol |
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| February 9, 2002, 1:30 pm : | |
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White Werewolf Joined: 02/06/2002 Posts: 4 |
I can understand the idea of a BTTF TV SERIES. there has been shows based on movies that done well and then there are some that have not. TV SHOWS BASED ON MOVIES THAT HAVEN'T WORKED 1, HONEY I SHRUNK THE KIDS 2, BILL AND TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURES TV SHOWS BASED ON MOVIES THAT HAVE WORKED 1, BUFFY: THE VAMPIRE SLAYER 2, CLUELESS (not a fan) 3, WEIRD SCIENCE I believe that BTTF would work, because a time machine opens alot of ideas for plots. there's also a big enough fan base for it to work. White Werewolf |
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| March 28, 2002, 4:00 pm : | |
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Pinheads Joined: 03/27/2002 Posts: 45 |
being a avid book worm and t.v whatcher i belive that both ideas would work. i mean if they put shows like Baby Bob on the air they could put anything on |
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| March 28, 2002, 4:21 pm : | |
Dale Joined: 06/13/2001Posts: 964 |
I agree with you 100% I really don't like the idea of a BTTF TV series & I just can't see it working. IMHO of course. ;) I'm just look forward to the upcoming DVD releases & I am more than happy with what we already have with the trilogy. I personally don't want to see BTTF turned into a TV show like Buffy. For me BTTF is a cinematic experience and to see it in any other format just doesn't seem right. Dale |
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| March 30, 2002, 1:41 pm : | |
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bkmarleen Joined: 05/04/2001 Posts: 476 |
i agree but id definately side for the books rather than another film, but thats cause i have long train journeys everyday so id have pleanty of time to read them plus it would be cool you can have the original characters and add new ones like they do with buffy and angel novels, they are so much better than the series'. |
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| April 15, 2002, 5:46 pm : | |
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KEVIN PATTON Joined: 02/02/2002 Posts: 66 |
My thought is that if the webmaster which is Steven would set up a poll on if we want another Back to The future movie I think you would be suprised on the percentage of yes verses no's. Then he could set it up where you could only vote once to make sure we get an accurate count. What does every one else think? |
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| December 5, 2012, 5:31 pm : RE: why a movie? | |
Love_McFly Joined: 12/04/2012Posts: 8 |
If they where to make a BTTF 4 it would be too pumped up with special affects and wouldn't match the originals in any way. Best way to make a new movie - which really isn't necisary, there great as a trilogy - invent time machine go to 1992 and release it with Michael, Christopher and Lea in the correct digitality (actual word?) of the 80s/90s. Whohohoho, the future is looking a whoooole lot better. Now that Love_McFly has changed the PAST on 2012-12-05T17:31:59-05:00 |
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| March 20, 2013, 10:13 pm : RE: why a movie? | |
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Ms Fusion Joined: 08/20/2010 Posts: 14 |
I didn't watch the animated series, so don't know what story line they have, I think I did ask where I can find the animated series, but some people said don't bother, it is not worth watching. I really can't comment on tv series unless the producer can come up with half a dozen, possible 10, 15 different story/topics. You need that much to cover at least a season. The original trilogy is great, and it is not impossible to extend it, as we are getting close to 2015, maybe it is possible to have another trilogy (completely new or loosely related to the orignal) but have the base year 2015.
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